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Prophetic Dreams: Prophetic Confusion will increase and Coming Judgment of the Church
Prophetic Dreams: Prophetic Confusion will increase and Coming Judgment of the Church
Andre's Dream
Background
I was tired of getting into discussions with people believing in the pre-tribulation rapture theory on the one side and Prophet Kobus van Rensburg's (South African prophet) end time view that the book of revelation is already fulfilled. I told the Lord that inwardly I was tired of this prophetic confusion. I can genuinely follow Kobus' faith in the Lord but not all of his teachings. Then on May 24, 2011 I had a dream.
Dream
I dreamt I saw the book of Revelation opened. Chapter one had a cross through every paragraph in the chapter. I knew chapter one was fulfilled. The rest of the book of Revelation must still come into fulfillment.
I looked at chapters two and three and wondered why they were not fulfilled. Then I knew in it is hidden the judgment of the Church. I knew then that the next event was not the so-called "rapture of the Church" or even the sons of God to be caught up to God and His throne, but next on God's calendar are the judgment of the Church. This was the end of my dream.
Comments (My impressions)
As I woke up, not yet fully awake 1 Peter 4:17 came to mind. For the time that judgment must begin at the House of God: and if it first begin at us what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of God (1 Peter 4:17, emphasis added). I knew then that beyond a shadow of a doubt that God will not judge the world before He has judged His house.
At the time of the dream chapter one of the book of Revelation is all that came into fulfillment of the things John has seen. According to verses 11 and 19 it was the recording of the vision. Chapters two and three indicate that the judgment of the Church is next on God's agenda and then all that must follow thereafter. "… I will shew thee things which must be hereafter" (Revelation 4:1b).
Marina's dream (April, 8, 2011)
Background
On April 8, 2011 my wife, Marina, had a dream, which I believe is of prophetic significance. Sometimes the Lord answers the questions of the meditation of our hearts in dreams. As for you, O king, thoughts came to your mind while on your bed, about what would come to pass after this; and He who reveals secrets made known to you what will be (Daniel 2:29).
Marina told me, "Before I went to bed I read some chapters in the Book of Jeremiah about prophets that prophesied according to their own hearts, feeding the people lies that cause them to rebel against the Lord. The thing that intrigued me was that the Lord showed Jeremiah, which lived amongst his own people, the error of the prophets of his day."
Dream
I dreamt I have been on a big passenger boat. The color of the ship on the outside was black. It struck me because normally these passenger boats are white. The interior of the boat I did not see because it seemed not to be important. There were only prophets on the boat. I stood on the deck with all the prophets. The weather was not foul but very strange. The sky was overcast and the day dark because of thick clouds that obscured the sun. It was snowing. I thought it should have been cold because of the snow but it was not cold. The snow was light flakes. The sea was calm. The weather was so strange that I did not know the time of the day because it was not supposed to snow as I believed that it was not the season to snow. I could not understand why it was not cold while it was snowing. The length of the trip and destiny of the ship was unknown. I had the impression that the mood of the weather and the color of the boat was the same, unpredictable and weird. However, I knew this weather will bring something but I did not know what to expect. The scenery of the dream was so bizarre that even the emotions I was experiencing were foreign to me.
I did not know what to make of the grey colored weather; what it will bring or what I should expect. Then the prophets look at the weather and individually started to prophecy presumptuously as how everyone personally interpreted what this odd weather will bring. Every prophet's interpretation of the weather was different from the others and everyone prophesied as how he interpreted what the weather will bring. Not two prophecies were the same. Presumptuously, every one of them assumed what will come to pass; what this odd weather will bring but in truth nobody knows. In my spirit I discerned and knew that these prophets had it all wrong and all of them prophesied falsely. The Lord did not spoke to them. They prophesied according to the imagination of their hearts and every one prophesied according to his expectation of what this odd weather will bring. I could not understand why the prophets started to prophecy if the Lord has not spoken to them. I did not receive an answer on this question. I knew the weather will bring something but at the time I experienced great uncertainty as to what it will be. The big issue was not the strange weather as it was my concern that the Lord has not spoken to these prophets or to me about this strange weather but they prophesied about it as if they know the outcome of this strange weather phenomenon (sign in the heavens). They gave the impression they heard from the Lord but they spoke from their own hearts.
Interpretation
I believe the Lord has shown Marina the error of the foolish prophets of today just like He showed Jeremiah the folly of the foolish prophets of his day. That does not mean that the positive in the Church concerning the prophetic is not happening. It happens alongside the misuse of the prophetic just like in the days of Jeremiah.
I believe in the dream Marina symbolizes the true prophetic voice in the earth today, the same as Jeremiah was the true prophetic voice in his day. The other prophets symbolize the foolish prophets, who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing. The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule by their power; and My people [the church] love to have it so. But what will you do in the end? (Jeremiah 5:31, emphasis added). The foolish prophets attempted to make something of nothing.
I believe the boat symbolizes the prophetic world (this was a boat that only carried prophets, true and foolish). The boat was black meaning that the prophetic world is blind, like the prophets in the time of Jeremiah. The true prophets are blind only concerning the things that are unrevealed. The religious world love to hear prophecies to support some pet doctrines but hate the truth that certain things are still sealed for the time that the Lord will unveil it. The flesh hates uncertainty. This is by no means a generalization. Many solid men and women of God are in bondage to traditional religious doctrinal deception. Some thought that if some prominent religious figures speculate about coming events that it is prophecy. Unless they have heard from the Lord, it is only speculation, the product from a fruitless imagination.
When man turns to the Lord the veils of ignorance is removed and then he can see the truth. Even so, man cannot have insight into the plans of God until He reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets. (Jeremiah 14:14). Presumption is the breeding place of error, and more specific prophetic error.
The strange weather (uncertainty) cannot be used to prophecy coming events, bad or good. The Scriptures call this practice false divination. For the king of Babylon stands at the fork of two roads, to use divination: he shakes the arrows, he consults the images, he looks at the liver [for signs in the strange weather] (Ezekiel 21:21, emphasis added).
Snow is ice crystals falling to the ground in light white flakes. Snow accumulates during the colder periods of the winter. When the spring comes, the snow turns into water that will water the soil. For as the rain comes down, and the snow from the heaven, and do not return there, but water the earth, and make it bring and bud, that it may give seed to the sower and bread to the eater (Isaiah 50:10). Snow refers to a waiting period until the new season. The snow refers to that which is unrevealed and unfulfilled. The dream indicates that this erroneous development will increase in future (snow). More false divination will be used in the future to support human views under the mantel of the true prophetic word which will cause more confusion causing people to believe in a lie. The dream indicates that foolish prophets will forecast events based on less than sign interpretation (uncertainty) and not on the bases that they have heard from the Lord. "Behold the days are coming," says the Lord God, "That I will send a famine on the land, not a famine for bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord (Amos 8:11). The Lord will give the church prophets after their own deceptive hearts (Read 1 Kings 22).
Confusion will be the result of prophecies that were not from the Lord but forecasts from the carnal mind. The many conflicting forecasts based on the same "weird weather" will cause much prophetic confusion.
Oleg's Dream
I dreamt that I was in Margate with a young woman in her early twenties. She and all her family and friends came to visit Margate. They were so many that we have to go in different groups to the business centre of Margate. Although I was with one group I was actually on my own just accompanying them. I saw myself sitting in a lodge with her parents and we were conversing. She did not want me to drink coffee but I knew she and her family and friends were committing worse "sins" than drinking coffee. For me it was not important because I knew I was free in Christ. I looked at her father, and I knew he was drinking coffee though I never saw it. People in the lodge were either drinking wine or coffee. I had a little red wine in a normal household coffee cup. Then I wondered where the young woman was. Somebody told me she was not in the lodge because this lodge is only meant for adults. Though she was an adult she was not allowed there because of her immaturity. I went out of the lodge in search for her and find her in a lodge for teenagers with all her friends. I did not wish to be with them because they were strangers to me.
She saw me and came out and asked me, "How long will you still be in the lodge for adults." I wish not to be in any of the two lodges because I felt strange as if I do not belong there.
I thought to myself, "I will never understand these people because there unspiritual living is foreign to me." Before I left the lodge, the young woman's father told me that if she asked me if I had some coffee I must say, "No." Anyhow I was not drinking coffee but a little red wine in a coffee cup hence his incorrect assumption. He had some coffee and I believed that he was trying to protect himself against their judgmental spirit and condemnation. Because I am a free man in Christ I did not take the young woman's demands seriously. I owned her nothing and I could not care less if she knew I was drinking coffee, wine or anything else. When I came out of the lodge I saw myself sitting in the car while the young woman stood outside of the car and then she asked me whether I had some coffee. I replied, "No" because I had none. I thought her father had some but I was not hundred percent sure. It appeared that the young woman's father was unhappy about my answer because he must have thought that I had some coffee. I was drinking red wine from a coffee cup. I believed at the time he wanted to use me to cover up his coffee drinking.
I was offended because they tried to manipulate and control me. The young woman was angry because she realized she could not manipulate and control me. Her father's unhappiness appeared to be their control over him but not over me. He did not rejoice with me over my freedom in the Lord. I felt the young woman's mother was the real Jezebel spirit but the whole family and friends were manipulators. I twisted her father's lie into the truth because they suspected him of drinking coffee, which is the truth.
Then I saw myself standing near the car with the young woman. She was continuing her faultfinding exercise. I felt her mother was behind her in projecting guilt to me. Then she told me that she cannot trust me. She was also insinuating that I had some coffee. I apologized to her by telling her it will not happen again. I did not mean what I said because I did not drink coffee but only wanted her off my back.
All the time while she was talking to me I was gazing into the sky. I looked intently toward the north and saw the moon much bigger and much brighter than I have ever seen it before. In the direction of the moon were two cubes filled with many stars. As the cubes moved closer to the moon the cubes broke up and formed more cubes. The stars moved into the cubes. The cubes increased but not the stars. This process repeated itself until the cubes were close to the moon. The formation of the cubes with the stars in it was like an arrowhead (like migrating geese). They moved toward the moon but not into the moon. When they were under the moon there formation changed. The cubes moved very close to each other, rearranged in a grid formation like soldiers in a squad. Then the cubes disappeared and there were only stars. The stars changed to asteroids. They shoot from out of the north and it looked if it may hit some places on the earth, but I cannot say with certainty that it will be the case. I enjoyed the spectacular display of the asteroids and thought one of the shooting stars may hit the young woman's family's house. The father of the young woman was also concerned that one of the asteroids may hit their house in the city they lived. I was not concerned if one of those stars will destroy our house because I knew God will supply all our needs.
While I was looking into the sky I was trying to show the young woman what was happening in the heavens but she did not pay attention to my message or she was not able to see it. Only when the stars started to shoot she saw it. Despite the shooting stars she continued to fight with me.
The young woman told me that she will give me one more chance to come into a close relationship with her but she will think about it. Then she said, "I will still decide about it because of what you have done to me." She suspected me of drinking coffee. I thought to myself, "No, no, nobody make me a fool." I told her, "I have already decided for you." I wanted to tell her that I will never have a close relationship with her but I saw in her eyes that she knew what I meant. She turned around and walked furiously away.
Then I saw a lodge in ruins, it was destroyed and only the swimming pool remained.
Then I saw myself with the same immature young adults in a penthouse but they were sleeping on the floor in the bathroom and not in the bedroom. The penthouse was only temporary accommodation for a weekend. The penthouse was only for females but an arrogant young man was sleeping with them. All were sleeping on the bathroom floor. Their clothing was dirty and stinking. Because they were asleep on the bathroom floor I could not get to the toilet to urinate. So I urinated inside of the young man's opened suitcase. Then I saw he had used two of my shoes (unpaired). I saw he cleaned it very nicely and I thought I will take it back. Then I was trying to chat up one of the girls. In the beginning she liked me but then she left me. It happened a second time with another girl and then thoughts entered my mind that the Lord does not want me to get into a relationship with any of these girls.
Interpretation
For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God? (Peter 4:17, emphasis added).
The background of the dream is Margate. Margate means "Gateway to the Sea." The name Margate also refers to the Margate fish, the red-mouth grunt (Diabasis aurolineatus) of the Gulf of Mexico, an esteemed food fish. The sea symbolizes the people and nations of the world. Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues" (Revelation 17:15). A fish in the context of this dream symbolizes a person or a soul. Then He said to them, Follow Me, and I will make you fishers of men (Matthew 4:19).
The Holy Spirit's emphasis on Margate refers to the great commission Jesus gave to His disciples. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. Amen (Matthew 28:19-20). The great commission means firstly to follow Christ then He will make you fisher's of men. Men need to be made disciples not just converts ("teaching them all things that I have commanded you"). For the house of the Lord to come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect, man to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ requires more than just evangelists but all five ministries as described in Ephesians four. This is to bring forth the sons (nothing to do with gender) of the kingdom of God.
What we are seeing now is many ministries making only converts and not disciples that result in many converts going back to the world. There are too few ministries that have compassion on these converts to take responsibility for them to bring them to disciple level. There are too many scalp hunters only going for conversions (The two lodges, one for adults and the other for teenagers). They do not have the compassion to become fathers to sons and there are far too few mothers of Zion. The result is too many spiritual abortions. The abortions that we see in the world are a parallel of the condition of the Church world. The vision shows young people in sin. They have inherited this sickness from the previous generation; the iniquity of the fathers is on the children. The battle was for many years the braking down of walls between individuals, churches, denominations and generations. Praise God it is happening and we see mighty covenant relationships that have developed over the last few decades. However, the principal of the natural first and then the spiritual still applies. The dream shows that birds of the same feathers flocks together (the young lady with her family and friends). This is false unity; love is true unity. They have an agenda of no tolerance of those that does not conform to their theology.
As far as I know we must conform to the image of the Son of God. Their agenda may be their vision of Christ. As far as I know Christ is meek and lowly of heart and He reveals Himself as our advocate and the Father as the Righteous Judge. We must know both the compassion of God on the wretched and the severity of His righteous judgments otherwise we will be deceived.
The father of the young woman symbolizes a line of doctrines which are followed by these church groups. The groups are the Evangelical, Pentecostal and Charismatic church groups that follow similar doctrines. The character of the young woman represents the spirit that is operating in these church groups (her friends were of the same spirit; dirty and stinking clothing).
There are greater things happening in the spirit than infighting between churches and individuals. (All the time while she was talking to me I was gazing into the sky). Will you be aware?
I looked intently toward the north and saw the moon much bigger and much brighter than I have ever seen it before. The moon bigger and brighter symbolizes the church under inspection.
In the direction of the moon were two cubes filled with many stars. The stars refer to the sons of God and the cubes speak about preparation for battle.
This whole signs in the heavens speaks of the Lord that is preparing His army for the last epic battle of the ages. They moved toward the moon but not into the moon. They were under the moon. For example, on the 16 February we had dreams to start a school of the prophets. Then the Lord showed us through various dreams that he is preparing us as soldiers. Our group he gave a specific time of two years. All these were confirmed. I am sure the Lord is doing similar things all over the world.
I believe the Lord will use the world as instruments of judgment. However, I believe His church will trigger the judgment; most probably through intercession but I do not know for sure. I also believe it will as a result of our cries for righteousness that are reaching God's heart.
The asteroids were shooting from the north. The asteroids are judgments. The north refers to judgment and affliction that is moving in. Set up the standard toward Zion: retire not: For I will bring evil from the north, and great destruction (Jeremiah 4:46, KJV).
People will be concerned that God will judge their churches and lives but if we judge ourselves God will not judge us (I was not concerned if one of those stars will destroy our house because I knew my future is in God's hands).
The judgments of God are not destructive but are for our good. It is to set things in order, to establish righteousness and serve justice that all things may be reconciled to God in His Son. Clouds and darkness surround Him; righteousness and justice are the foundation of His throne (Psalm 97:2, emphasis added).
NOTE: Dreams and visions are given by the Holy Spirit for direction in the church, especially for intercession and prayer purposes, and not to establish doctrine. The Scriptures are the only basis for Church doctrine (2 Timothy 3:16).
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